Topic Discussion 6: Anti-Reservation Protest

futuregenious · Web Guru

Topic Discussion 6: Anti-Reservation Protest

ameen_sep22 · Guru

i think ane1 who replies to this topic will be one sided...the reservation quota is a really needless and stupid thing to do by the commision and da government of india really need to use sum brains to stop this

how wud u liek to be sitting nex to a guy or gal who got way less marks den u but is dare jus coz of the reservation quota?....i think it onli makes sense that dey change it back to the old format or revise da quota to merit?

i dunno what da users of such quotas think and it wud worthwhile to get a a point of view from dat particular class if not then the topic is gonna get really boring..or rather one sided coz its no big news dat we r all against it...but it stops den and dare..da government is not lisening and we have no choice other than keep disscussing

lidia · Senior Member

well ameen i seem to disagree wid u on a few points.maybe this is gonna be one sided but most of need to noe wat is going on out there and why those students are protesting and this discussion cud be very informative in this respect.

i knew that there were strikes going on in new delhi but i never really bothered to find out why.but since this has come up i looked into it and this is wat i found out:

"Reservation was agreed upon by Dr. Ambedkar in the Poona Pact in 1932 . However Dr. Ambedkar felt that reservations should exist only for a fixed period of time, namely 10 years after independence."end quote

its almost 60 years since independence and the reservation system is still going on.

The commission estimated that 54% of the total population (excluding SCs and STs), belonging to 3,743 different castes and communities were ‘backward’.[1] Figures of caste-wise population are not available beyond 1931. So the commission used 1931 census data to calculate the number of OBCs.

but in truth:

"If you needed proof that social policy in this country operates quite in isolation of hard economic data, you need to look no further than the NSS data. OBCs — 35.8 % of India’s population and not 52% as the government would make us believe — compare favourably with the General category (36.5% population) on overall consumption figures as well as for individual products and services. "TIMES NEWS NETWORK
talking economically:

If consumption defines our economic status, it seems there is not much difference between the country’s ‘General (non-SC/ST)’ category population and Other Backward Castes (OBC). It may sound unbelievable, but the annual per capita consumption expenditure (APCCE) for OBCs is Rs 15,436, which compares reasonably well with Rs 16,923 for the general category.

so the govt has even got the nos. wrong.

well if the indian society today hyas almost achoeved social equality in some respects maybe its time the guys at the government try to realize that.

who r they tryin to fool?i mean c'mon ...

yes,there was a time when the government had to set up a reservation system for the student community of the OBC to bring up their status in society. but now isn't it simply unfair to bring up these percentages of seats available for ppl who've done nothing except be born in a society that receives special favours.

yes ameen i agree wid u . i wud hate to lose a position at a college or university jus coz sum1 gets a free seat.it is unfair to all those students who study hard for it and fail to get a seat.

perhaps this is another ploy for more votes.watever is the end to this issue it certainly wont be a loss for the political parties..

hmm i wonder why such issues always turn out this way...

li

deadlydivs · Queen

Hmmm first of all, A big HELLO 2 y'all out there!!! hope u had a good vacation & r more ready than me 2 hit the (ugh) bookz. lets jst hope ur mum dsnt havta drag u out frm under d bed on monday mornin!!!!!

lolz....kk nw....................................hmmmmmmmmm...

I was in New Delhi n frankly was DISGUSTED by the treatment of indias voice. The one time, this generation, our generation, rose up in protest together, we were suppressed. We were subdues beaten n ill treated. Our pleas fell on deaf ears. Our hungry strikes shocked the nation, bt didnt turn a conceited hair on the head of the "leaders of our gr8 nation".

I dont have much 2 add, 'cuz all has been listed by Lidz n Ameen in a way i couldnt have expressed myself in. Both of them have summed up the 2 sides of the coin. The tragedy mein only one side shows to evry1. The media were forbidden frm covering this, which is frankly sick.

I dont want 2 lose a seat to a person just cuz they were born into a different class. Wat happened 2 equality, liberty n fraternity? or wateva it was???????????????

ntn much n new 2 add, jst voicin my thoughtz.

nice 2 c ya again lidz!! hang in there chic!!! Go U all!!!!!!!

dennisgeorge · Senior Member

Whats up everyone. Hope u guys have had a great vacation. Ok to the point. I completely agree with Ameen and Lidia and As far as i know from my viewpoint in the U.S, the reservation system in India has made no impact whatsoever because people first of all do not care or because high school graduates here always expect to have a seat saved in college for them. But my parents have always insisted that the Indian system of Education only has its merit to a certain point and after that, its pretty much based on how determined, wealthy, or now what caste u belong. This has been one of the primary reason for my family moving to the U.S. This could be why people are attracted to the U.S because of the "equal opportunity" lingo on its star spangled banner.

But frm my readings, I gathered that there will be long-term damage to India's science, medical, and technological infrastructure, if 50 per cent of the seats are not merit-based. Thus the knowledge industry(IT) is difficult to build, but easy to destroy. Now looking at it from another perspective. Here in the U.S, i have known several Indian friends of mine whose parents had excellent jobs and made good income. These guys were eager and ready for college and to get on with their lives, but then they discovered that their parents had other plans for them. Their parents bought them seats into the IISc, IIM and one of Bangalore's medical colleges. Their exam rankings put them in the 8000th to 5000th ranks. In institutions, where even the 800th or even the 500th rank is considered a failure to get admission, these kids easily got admitted because their parents were wealthy NRI's who could afford the capitation fees to get their kids into these excellent instituitions. Thus this aspect may as well be added to the reservation quota coin.

India, if it wants to succeed must make changes to this education mess through strong political changes. But as Ameen and Lidia says, whats the use, the government does not care what we say or do.

lidia · Senior Member

i agree there dennis.

the whole issue does not stop at reservation.this whole thing of buying seats and getting into the Best colleges and schools just coz' ur parents have cash to pay for it is so unfair.

i mean if 49% of the seats are taken by the obc's and st/sc and the rest of the seats are bought how do students who have genuinely worked hard for seats ever get to study?

lidia · Senior Member

um...

luks lyk no momentum here huh?

varun, time 2 move on?

if d whole thingy wid hu owns this sie or domain or wateva is over, cud u pls put up another topic?bfore d exams.

deadlydivs · Queen

uhhhhhhhhhh....

Yea lidz. Time 4 new topicz no??

Varun??? CAN U PLZ DO SUMTHIN??????????????????????????????????

sagar_2good · Guru

The Indian govt is upto it again ........ the obc getting more reservation ......... whats up with them man ??? i mean after so much revolts throughout india they come upto it again ............... n this time its increased .......... cant anythin be done of these dum ppl ???? its gonna spoil the future of many indians . many of us mite nt go to india but think abt ur cousins n all .........

A news report stating the condition of india :

New Delhi, Aug 24: New Delhi, Aug 24: Some resident doctors were injured on Thursday as a scuffle broke out between a large section of striking medicos and police personnel outside the Supreme Court. The resident doctors are on a mass casual leave protesting the Centre`s decision to introduce reservation in government-aided educational institutions.

The resident doctors of AIIMS, MAMC and Hindurao Hospital were staging a sit-in demonstration outside the Supreme Court organised by medical students and university students` unions.

Meanwhile, AIIMS officials said healthcare services in the hospital were not affected as faculty members and consultants were running the OPDs and emergency and casualty wards were also functioning.

"We have a contingency plan to meet any eventuality," AIIMS spokesman Shakti Gupta said.

Besides the sit-in demonstration, medicos and students will also form a human chain outside the Supreme Court demanding its intervention to stop the government from going ahead with tabling of the bill.

"We had called off the stir earlier after the Supreme Court intervened. The apex court should now tell the government as well to reconsider the decision as the matter is subjudice," Anil Sharma, spokesperson of the AIIMS Resident Doctors` Association, said.

sagar_2good · Guru

( Read the full thing guys plsss...... its related and syre has shown us something about india )

If the Titanic was made in India

1) There would be 10 times as many people on the ship

2) There would be a song with Kate Winslet in a white saree and
ofcourse singing in the rain

3) The movie would be called "Pyar Kiya To Marna Kya"

4) Hero and Heroine would float in cold water for days and still
survive,but the villian would die in the first dip

5) The iceberg would be sent by the heroine's father to
teach the hero
a lesson

6) None of the women would float due to heavy designer sarees.

And last but not least

7) Half of the rescue boats would be reserve for SC/ST/OBC

futuregenious · Web Guru

gud one sagar.. only the last line is relevant here though!

chintan9 · Guru

Yeah but nice one dUdE...kEeP gOin...

ameen_sep22 · Guru

once again..reservation strike...i think dis is jus beating around da bush..coz da government jus not think abt it...they want the votes rather dan ppl to make da country better

aakz1 · Member

hey straight away cumin 2 the point, i had joined the students wen they were on streets..its seriously very unfair 2 the ppl of open caste..its seriously very unfair wen u lose a seat even after u get gud marks just because u r of open caste..i have even heard that u get a bc certificate in just 100 bucks ..n many ppl are even buyin dat 2 make it easy for them..dats a straight proof of corruption in india..i dont understand at 48% a girl of obc caste got a free seat in mbbs..wat wil she do in mbbs if she is gettin 48% in 12TH..its just a waste giving her a seat..instead of her a clever peerson can get into it and build a bright future 4 himself..its indirectly shattering the dreams of ppl of open caste..i think this shud be stopped..the seats shud be reserved on merit basis..n if u wanna reserve seats for bc, obc, sc n st..der shud be more seats for open castes reserved..as much of the population of INDIA is of open caste..i think only 20% of the seats shud be reserved for the other castes..but the best way is 2 reserve the seats on basis of merit..i hope the government understands them soon..m with u al..students

aakz1 · Member

gud 1 dude..keep goin..m with u

ameen_sep22 · Guru

Kool..u were protesting in India?..dats nice to hear we have sum1 hu has a hands on experience..tel us more abt wat u guys did at da protest

sagar_2good · Guru

wow !!! i mean sum1 whos been a part of it would be the ultimate source of info as to how the stuff goes around there ?? Who actually proved more powerful according to aakz1 ........... dude post in dude .

aakz1 · Member

ya i was protesting 2..we were on streets ...mainly the road called ferguson college road in pune..we din have our fud..stayed 1 nite on the road..actually no 1 was powerful..the students tried thier best 2 protest..but at last every1 gave up due 2 cops n al..u can say every1 had that feeling of protest only 4 sum hours..mostly al the students went back half the way..which resulted into cease of protest..but this stil continued in many other parts of the country..but i dont think dat the government will change thier rules..1ce said by the government ..no1 can break their rules..but ppl suffered very much...i wonder wen the indian govt wil cum on track

adnan · Guru

huh i don see anythin wrong in protestin..that all is the mistake of the of the govt of india...well even we are gonna protest if we get deprived of our rights...arent we..atleast im gonnna....

Jamini · Senior Member

deres no use protestin u noe

coz da govt. is not going 2 change deir mind

ameen_sep22 · Guru

just wat i think...way to go

dennisgeorge · Senior Member

excellent source of info from aakz, but it actually depends where u are protesting. In India, hell no but in other countries maybe. See the indian gvt asserts itself as the largest democracy, but what's the damn use when the govt does not want to or "feel" like listening to the people it represents. It's more of a distorted democracy that needs good and "uncorrupt" Congressmen as well as the right leaders.

ameen_sep22 · Guru

point dare.....But there r oder prob to they hav taken care of..sum wid brilliant ease...but this is simply pathetic

sagar_2good · Guru

hey ppl

well i after reading the post of aakz1 (hey do let us kno ur name) i thought ws protestin the only way ?????? if we kno that the govt wont change its way then its jus of no use...... i m completely against reservations but then isnt there a peaceful way ??? maybe it takes time but atleas no one will have to get beaten up or stay hungry ...... like maybe let the students get into politics.... form a party completely of their own ...only the youngsters and then get into the elections ........ 2/5th of india's population lie in theses ppl ...... win their support .... revolutions arent created by jus stayin hungry n fightin ....... bhagat singh stayed hungry n bombed ppl ...... wat happen to him ?? he was killed .... thou he did a lot for india's freedom ..... but can it be greater than gandhi's who actually followed policies of non voilence.... i don think so he stayed hungry .... one thing sure came out of the recent lage raho munna bhai - v hav 4gotten the ideals of peace n non voilence.... fightin wont do it all ........ take the other way get peaceful create a revolution by getting the young india into the government instead of putting in the old generation who actually don understand the needs of the young ones...... i kno many mite criticise me by sayin i again brought in movies in such a topic.... but thats the only way we can actually bring about relativity n it is one of the finest examples i could provide rite nw .....

futuregenious · Web Guru

Here is the Wipro chairman Mr. Azim Premji's comment on reservation:
I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely
support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let's start
the
reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation
for Muslims. 30 percent for OBC , SC /ST like that. Cricket rules should
be
modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST
player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and
a
six hit by an OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player
scoring
60 runs should be declared as a century.
We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like
Shoaib
Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player. Bowlers should bowl
maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player. Any delivery
above
this speed should be made illegal.
Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an
OBC
player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.
There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let's recruit SC/ST
and
OBC pilots for aircrafts which are carrying the ministers and
politicians
(that can really help the country...)
Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the
ministers
and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country...)
Let's be creative and think of ways and means to guide INDIA forward...
Lets show the world that INDIA is a GREAT country. Let's be proud of
being
an INDIAN...
May the good breed of politicians like ARJUN SINGH long live...

Courtesy: TrueKool MSN Group

adnan · Guru

ok that a pretty gud statement by varun infact.....i support that..c there are many ppl in india who r talented but they don get gud jobs jus coz they are exploited, so thats why indian constitution made this provision-

1. right against exploitation, but we see that even we are responsible coz we don go to courts if our rights our deprived...

2. freedom of speech, and when we try and use this one, we get thrashed by govt police officials....so we cant say that we really live in a country which is democrat..lot of the rights are prescribed but not gvn to us.....

so i think all of the sheduled class shud get at least a job opportunity to show they can do somethin....or else india will continue to only remain developing and not developed....

sorry bout disturbin some of ur thinkin...but im pretty straight at this and wanna show this clearly that the govt of india is not doing what it is expected to do really.....

sagar_2good · Guru

i dunno about changin the topic ..... maybe the times come but lidten wats the end of the whole thing ?? i mean who actually came out vrictorious ?? did the govt change their desicions ??

khush_cool · Guru

as far as i noe....dey dint...n u noe wat????? dey wont

adnan · Guru

frankly.....govt. of india is tooooo lazy to impose anyfin...

sagar_2good · Guru

not tht lazy when ut wants to irrtate or trouble ppl